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	<title>Comments on: The Old Haunt</title>
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	<description>The editorial cartoons of Matt Davies</description>
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		<title>By: Toaster</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5764</link>
		<dc:creator>Toaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulldog, I think we&#039;re just going to have to agree to disagree.

You see life as fundamentally unfair.  I realize this truth, but see it as a moral imperative to make sure that life is as fair as possible for the greatest possible number of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulldog, I think we&#8217;re just going to have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>You see life as fundamentally unfair.  I realize this truth, but see it as a moral imperative to make sure that life is as fair as possible for the greatest possible number of people.</p>
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		<title>By: BULLDOG</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5736</link>
		<dc:creator>BULLDOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about people in modern day America pulling their weight toaster not about a black man being followed around in a store or a hispanic man not being paid enough. What
you&#039;re talking about is something my mother taught me years ago. &quot;Life isn&#039;t fair get used to it.&quot; Do you really think
no white people have ever been screwed in this country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about people in modern day America pulling their weight toaster not about a black man being followed around in a store or a hispanic man not being paid enough. What<br />
you&#8217;re talking about is something my mother taught me years ago. &#8220;Life isn&#8217;t fair get used to it.&#8221; Do you really think<br />
no white people have ever been screwed in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: Toaster</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5732</link>
		<dc:creator>Toaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulldog, you&#039;re being naive.

What happened in the past informs the present.  The past is not an excuse, but the past shaped the present directly.  In order to have an equitable and just present where everyone is equally free, then we must acknowledge the past.

When a black man is followed around a shop incessantly because of subconscious fears that he may steal something, he is being made less free than his white peers.  When a Hispanic American is paid less than a white American for the same labor and skills, he is being made less free.  I am not talking about opportunity nor about demeaning the work that you have put in to building your own success, I am speaking about fundamental equity among all people of this nation and their accompanying equal freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulldog, you&#8217;re being naive.</p>
<p>What happened in the past informs the present.  The past is not an excuse, but the past shaped the present directly.  In order to have an equitable and just present where everyone is equally free, then we must acknowledge the past.</p>
<p>When a black man is followed around a shop incessantly because of subconscious fears that he may steal something, he is being made less free than his white peers.  When a Hispanic American is paid less than a white American for the same labor and skills, he is being made less free.  I am not talking about opportunity nor about demeaning the work that you have put in to building your own success, I am speaking about fundamental equity among all people of this nation and their accompanying equal freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: BULLDOG</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5731</link>
		<dc:creator>BULLDOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with history McGriff all i&#039;m saying is don&#039;t
use it as an excuse. I don&#039;t listen to conservative radio
so i don&#039;t know much about it but if you say it&#039;s good i&#039;ll
believe you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with history McGriff all i&#8217;m saying is don&#8217;t<br />
use it as an excuse. I don&#8217;t listen to conservative radio<br />
so i don&#8217;t know much about it but if you say it&#8217;s good i&#8217;ll<br />
believe you.</p>
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		<title>By: McGriff</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5729</link>
		<dc:creator>McGriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Toaster, history and facts are bad; conservative radio talking points are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Toaster, history and facts are bad; conservative radio talking points are good.</p>
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		<title>By: BULLDOG</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5728</link>
		<dc:creator>BULLDOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can give me all the history you want toaster which is
just another way of making excuse after excuse for people
who don&#039;t pull their weight. I wish i could make excuses but i&#039;m not alllowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can give me all the history you want toaster which is<br />
just another way of making excuse after excuse for people<br />
who don&#8217;t pull their weight. I wish i could make excuses but i&#8217;m not alllowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Toaster</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5727</link>
		<dc:creator>Toaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulldog,

I was simply trying to address the hypocritical bias you created when you put Rev. Wright&#039;s face on a straw man argument and falsely called it truth by pointing out that Rev. Wright is no more extreme than the pastors who support McCain (yet McCain isn&#039;t attacked for their support or affiliation) and to shed light into the context around his rather blunt indictments of the U.S..  You, however, have brought up the racially-coded argumentative trope of &quot;I PAID FOR IT! THEY DIDN&#039;T!&quot;.  And by proxy, you&#039;ve also invoked affirmative action.  As an aside, the government was most certainly bailing out your ancestors with great bailouts when it pursued Manifest Destiny and conquered the West from Savages.

Let me try to explain this:
It is true that everyone must pay taxes that go in to a pool that pay to provide basic infrastructure and public services and that everyone is entitled to the fruits of their taxes.  It is also a current truth that certain demographic minorities rely on these services at a rate disproportionate to their total contribution, however, they are still citizens of this country and as such are guaranteed the support of their government.  It would be rather quite un-democratic of us as a nation to decide that low-education, low-income rural white Americans no longer deserve Medicare assistance or foodstamps because they don&#039;t pay as many gross taxes.  We are a free country where everyone is at least equal on paper.  Nonetheless, when African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans continue to suffer from disproportionately greater mortality and morbidity regardless of cause, lower net life income despite education, and greater rates of incarceration even when crime per capita is controlled for (just to name a few), there exist undeniable systemic inequalities in American society.  These inequalities are the remaining echoes of past overt racism and they continue to affect people greatly even today.  Affirmative action and social programs are not ideal solutions, but they are the best Band-Aids we have.  Ideally in a free society, everyone would be judged and rewarded solely on the basis of the work they have done, yet study after study has shown that a black American with an ethnic name is much less likely to get a job than a white American with a white name even when experience and education are controlled for.  These truths are uncomfortable because we now like to pretend that the 48 years since the Civil Rights Amendment was passed have healed everything.  These truths force us to acknowledge that maybe the American dream isn&#039;t as all-encompassing or inclusive as we thought.  But it&#039;s true, so please stop wasting your time with petty tropes and acknowledge it.  Perhaps then we can all move towards a more just society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulldog,</p>
<p>I was simply trying to address the hypocritical bias you created when you put Rev. Wright&#8217;s face on a straw man argument and falsely called it truth by pointing out that Rev. Wright is no more extreme than the pastors who support McCain (yet McCain isn&#8217;t attacked for their support or affiliation) and to shed light into the context around his rather blunt indictments of the U.S..  You, however, have brought up the racially-coded argumentative trope of &#8220;I PAID FOR IT! THEY DIDN&#8217;T!&#8221;.  And by proxy, you&#8217;ve also invoked affirmative action.  As an aside, the government was most certainly bailing out your ancestors with great bailouts when it pursued Manifest Destiny and conquered the West from Savages.</p>
<p>Let me try to explain this:<br />
It is true that everyone must pay taxes that go in to a pool that pay to provide basic infrastructure and public services and that everyone is entitled to the fruits of their taxes.  It is also a current truth that certain demographic minorities rely on these services at a rate disproportionate to their total contribution, however, they are still citizens of this country and as such are guaranteed the support of their government.  It would be rather quite un-democratic of us as a nation to decide that low-education, low-income rural white Americans no longer deserve Medicare assistance or foodstamps because they don&#8217;t pay as many gross taxes.  We are a free country where everyone is at least equal on paper.  Nonetheless, when African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans continue to suffer from disproportionately greater mortality and morbidity regardless of cause, lower net life income despite education, and greater rates of incarceration even when crime per capita is controlled for (just to name a few), there exist undeniable systemic inequalities in American society.  These inequalities are the remaining echoes of past overt racism and they continue to affect people greatly even today.  Affirmative action and social programs are not ideal solutions, but they are the best Band-Aids we have.  Ideally in a free society, everyone would be judged and rewarded solely on the basis of the work they have done, yet study after study has shown that a black American with an ethnic name is much less likely to get a job than a white American with a white name even when experience and education are controlled for.  These truths are uncomfortable because we now like to pretend that the 48 years since the Civil Rights Amendment was passed have healed everything.  These truths force us to acknowledge that maybe the American dream isn&#8217;t as all-encompassing or inclusive as we thought.  But it&#8217;s true, so please stop wasting your time with petty tropes and acknowledge it.  Perhaps then we can all move towards a more just society.</p>
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		<title>By: McGriff</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5721</link>
		<dc:creator>McGriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

None of your hard-earned money has paid for the invasion of Iraq - yet. That $600 billion present (and growing by $10 billion a month) is all on the country&#039;s credit card, mostly borrowed from China. Now let me think, who holds the power: the person borrowing or the bank lending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>None of your hard-earned money has paid for the invasion of Iraq &#8211; yet. That $600 billion present (and growing by $10 billion a month) is all on the country&#8217;s credit card, mostly borrowed from China. Now let me think, who holds the power: the person borrowing or the bank lending?</p>
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		<title>By: McGriff</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator>McGriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bulldog,
You&#039;ve personally paid for every road and bridge you&#039;ve used? You&#039;ve paid for the entire police and fire departments? You&#039;ve personally paid for the courts and prisons? Of course you haven&#039;t. You help pay for these services like the rest of us. We need each other for this society to work. That&#039;s how the country is caring for you. You seem to have no idea the goods and services you are getting. It would be a lot more expensive if you had to pay for your own police, fire, military, teachers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bulldog,<br />
You&#8217;ve personally paid for every road and bridge you&#8217;ve used? You&#8217;ve paid for the entire police and fire departments? You&#8217;ve personally paid for the courts and prisons? Of course you haven&#8217;t. You help pay for these services like the rest of us. We need each other for this society to work. That&#8217;s how the country is caring for you. You seem to have no idea the goods and services you are getting. It would be a lot more expensive if you had to pay for your own police, fire, military, teachers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: BULLDOG</title>
		<link>http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/10/28/the-old-haunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5715</link>
		<dc:creator>BULLDOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t have a problem with a social service system Matt 
it&#039;s just that the ONLY thing i qualify for is unemployment. I worked for it though. I pay for many other services that I DON&#039;T get. All i&#039;m saying is that  you should do something for that money,anything and not just
sit around waiting for the next check. Happy Halloween.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t have a problem with a social service system Matt <br />
it&#8217;s just that the ONLY thing i qualify for is unemployment. I worked for it though. I pay for many other services that I DON&#8217;T get. All i&#8217;m saying is that  you should do something for that money,anything and not just<br />
sit around waiting for the next check. Happy Halloween.</p>
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